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Gaming laptops

Post by Kravitz » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:18 pm

Hi all, as some of you may know I haven't played wow since cata. RL has been really busy and also if I'm honest MoP or WoD haven't really caught my interest. However looking at Blizzcon over the weekend from twitch streams and YouTube. Legion looks like it could be amazing!!! So I see a return to WoW in the near future. I'm trying resurrect my old account which typically seems to be taking a while. Some thing with blizzard don't seem to change.

As some of you may also know (mainly Rheon) I'm not the most techy of people. So I'm looking to buy a gaming laptop. So I was wondering if I at some point put a few links to one's I'm considering buying. If one of you nice techy people could give your opinions?
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Kravitz » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:34 pm

Or of course, if anyone knows of a decent machine for sale .... I don't want to break the bank so with a budget of say £4-800... Perhaps they could link a recommendation here?
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Deluge » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:38 am

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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Kravitz » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:29 pm

Hio Del, I'm liking the sound of the changes to bear form in legion.
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Kravitz » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:35 pm

Ok so I think I've found one, if I could have some opinions please?

http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Produ ... BU&sel=NTB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Rheon » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:00 pm

Hiya pal....Long time no /g ;-)

There's better laptop folks in guild than me. but I hear PC specalist:http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptops/ is their preference and has a great rep. I've overspecced from the HP machine in line with budget:

Larger 17" screen
Better graphics card, even taking into account the 2gb memory difference it benches higher
+ 3yr warranty as standard (that's 2 yrs better than HP)
More powerful battery, therefore longer lasting battery, though the display size increase may neutralise that a little.
4x USB ports as standard (1 extra and all type 3.0)
Gigabit LAN / matched the well specced Wi-Fi spec on the HP
Adds a mini display and VGA port for more flexible display connections (standard HDMI port inc)
Imo the mouse-pad is better on the PC specialist machine, this sounds daft but on a laptop really makes the difference

Even a fingerprint scanner, If that stirs your noodles....
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Kravitz » Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:38 pm

Thanks Rheon, yeah I hope to see you in the green chat soon bud :-)

The way you say it that machine sounds better in spec and price. Is there a big difference between i5 and i7 processors?

I take it your looking at the optimus 17.3 VII ? is there anything on that machine you would consider upgrading?
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Nrubdoow » Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:45 pm

I'd suggest upping the ssd to 250gb to give you a bit of slack to play with. I have very little on my desktop ssd aside from wow and other things to facilitate gaming it gets_really tight if u only have a 128gb.

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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Kravitz » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:04 pm

HI Nrub,

I don't see any SSD on that machine it a 500 GB HDD. Do you think it's worth upgrading from HDD to SSD or perhaps a hybrid?
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Rheon » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:18 pm

Nrubdoow wrote:I'd suggest upping the ssd to 250gb to give you a bit of slack to play with. I have very little on my desktop ssd aside from wow and other things to facilitate gaming it gets_really tight if u only have a 128gb.


Whilst I specced with 1TB standard drive and smaller SSD to compare with HP's offering, I very much agree with Hon, having 250gb SSD with OS installed to same will really make you smile if you've never had an SSD. Frankly if you have cloud or a NAS storage at home, and don't need masses of portable space SSD's also allow your battery to last a lot longer.

Would I choose to have a 1TB spinning drive an without an actual NEED?
No, I think I'd rather have a cased up version I can take when required...
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Lanial » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:22 pm

having 250gb SSD with OS installed to same will really make you smile
... and WoW of course!
Is there a big difference between i5 and i7 processors?
I've always understood that i7s are good for multi-threaded applications and running lots of separate things at the same time, so I stuck with an i5, although having never run WoW on an i7 I've nothing to compare it with.
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Rheon » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:56 pm

i5 vs i7 when not streaming mutiple HD inputs is not noticeable by humans though benches higher. Outside of video streaming and video editing with proffesional software an i5 will be real world better for gaming, and bench better with games. Any bottleneck would not be at a 4-core CPU in 99% of cases so it's pretty much academic.

WoW will not use the extra cores on an i7 (and it'd only have them if it was the i7 "extreme" ) otherwise it's 4 core anyway like the i5 but the i7 gets multithreading (the added value of a non-extreme i7). The HP machine you specced is 4-core with threading.

I don't believe that WoW, if WoW is a primary/only concern and you're not just talking about generic higher-end gaming even supports multi-threading.

Console ports don't use more that 2 cores. Specifically designed PC games mostly aren't well tuned for multi-threading and many reports indicate they run faster once this is disabled.

Once you've hit 4 cores choose clock speed over number of cores when looking at gaming performance. Once at this stage any noticable increase would likely come from GPU investment not CPU investment.

I will crank the budget up if there's large value increase in the next more expensive option(bang for buck). i7 Vs i5 value for gamers imho simply doesn't exist, divert the cash to GPU or simply don't spend it ...there's..... just .....no .....value.

There's reams and reams of arguments of this type of stuff with AMD Vs Intel and Nvidia Vs ATI fan boys stating their cases. I can only advise from real world experience use i5 + Nvidia even if they're slightly more expensive.

ATI's hardware might spec higher but it's no use with poor drivers. I've yet to be convinced ATI has sorted their driver support, longevity, or usablity out.

In summary:

Look for value.. which is not the same as cheap, cheaper or budget. It' s a significant investment so warranty does matter.
Do your research, or if you can't, find a trusted source that is not on commision by any vendor.

"Throws cat amongst pidgeons"
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Deluge » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:13 pm

Rheon wrote:"Throws cat amongst pidgeons"
Or even the "D"`s amongst the pigeons !

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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Rheon » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:29 pm

Kravitz wrote:Thanks Rheon, yeah I hope to see you in the green chat soon bud :-)

The way you say it that machine sounds better in spec and price. Is there a big difference between i5 and i7 processors?

I take it your looking at the optimus 17.3 VII ? is there anything on that machine you would consider upgrading?
As you may have gathered by now not the CPU ;-).

HP £800 vs direct PCS £800 = Better spec, better flexiblity, better warranty, bigger viewing size, better touch-pad

Personal preference here as you asked. I don't need mega space so I'd loose the spinning drive

Up sale incoming: £857.00 inc VAT
The 17.3" Optimus VII

2) choose your core components

Chassis & Display
no options

Processor (CPU)
i5

Ram
2x8GB Kingston SODIMM DDR3 1600Mhz

Graphics Card
no options

Memory - Hard Disk
240GB HyperX Savage SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (560 /530)

2nd Hard Disk
None

mSATA/M.2 SSD Drive
None

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
standard

Memory Card Reader
no options

Thermal Paste
artic (£9)

Sound Card
standard

Bluetooth & Wireless
Intel AC-8260

Warranty
Silver (£5)

Windows OS
Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
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Re: Gaming laptops

Post by Rheon » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:30 pm

Deluge wrote:
Rheon wrote:"Throws cat amongst pidgeons"
Or even the "D"`s amongst the pigeons !
Wonker!
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